31 July 2006

Do baby-boomers control the property market?

An interesting analysis/rant from Phoenix based BloudhoundBlog, in response to last weeks annoncements from Zillow. We linked to Bloodhound in our long tail post, acknowledging him as a major "zestimate" critic.
Our thesis was essentially an acknowledgement that real estate is also impacted by "long tail economics"; Bloodhound agrees to some degree, but does not view real estate as sufficiently "elastic" to justify these claims. While acknowledging "a growing elasticity in the marketplace," he appears to believe that it is not sufficient to have any significant impact on the oeverall market:

There is a growing elasticity in the marketplace, but this mostly an artifact of Baby Boomers in the their peak earning years buying second homes, retirement getaways and investment properties. Moreover, there is certainly no dearth of Long Tail information available to home-buyers.
What Bloodhound fails to acknowledege is the rise in alternative markets such as single women, gays , hip-hop, Latino, senior citizens, etc. These markets have traditionally been underserved, and we feel that they - and others - perfectly fit into a long tail business model.

28 July 2006

FindaProperty encroaches

Alexa.com rank's rightmove.co.uk the UK's no.1 property directory at 656, and findaproperty.com a distant second at 1,752.
But ...
In the last 3 months, findaproproperty page views has increased 5%, vs rightmove at 1%; based on the redesign, the Alexa figures, the extensive up-coming media campaign, Daily Mail's deep pockets; well need I say more? Here's the press release .
We'll attempt to follow up with interviews next week ...

Real Estate Marketing and The Long Tail Economy

From the Zillow Blog, we learn of their plans to launch an "open API" program later this year. For those of us less technically inclined, Application Programming Interface or API is the interface that a computer system, provides in order to allow requests by other computer programs, and/or to allow data to be exchanged between them (from Wikipedia).
From this definition, we can assume that an open API means that the program is open to any webmaster to include third party functionality on their domain, provided they know what they're doing. Google does it with Google maps, spawning the "mash-up revolution" blogged about last week. Will the Zillow API spawn a similar revolution?
I guess a significant problem for Zillow at the moment is credibility. Some suggest that Zillow's "Zestimates" are way off base, but since they're still in beta, it's probably slightly premature to be overly critical at this point, notwithstanding the near $60 million they've got in seed money. Nevertheless, they should be given the opportunity to work through the bugs, but with 60 mill in the bank, let's hope - for their sake - they work quickly before the money runs out. .
Why is Zillow doing this?
Their blog indicates they believe that real estate marketing is effectively niche and local and identify long tail as the new market distribution model. Zillow estimates that there are currently more than a million real estate websites in the U.S., with only a handful getting any significant attention:

it’s clear that buyers and sellers engage with real estate professionals on a local level. And it’s also clear that many individual agents may be looking to enhance their own sites with relevant and sticky content.
Zillow seems to feel that their content is sticky, (although Dustin appears to have a different view), but what exactly is the long tail? And what is its relevance to real estate sales and marketing?

The Long Tail concept


The term - coined by Wired's editor-in-chief Chris Anderson in an article he wrote in 2004 - essentially claims that:
products that are in low demand or have low sales volume can collectively make up a market share that rivals or exceeds the relatively few current bestsellers and blockbusters, if the store or distribution channel is large enough. Examples of such mega-stores include the online retailer Amazon.com, and the online video rental service Netflix. The Long Tail is a potential market and, as the examples illustrate, successfully tapping in to that long tail market is often enabled by the distribution and sales channel opportunities the Internet creates.
odotzero believes that:
... with the cost of technology and tools decreasing constantly, and the older generation of brokers retiring and moving on, I’m thinking the Long Tail will transform [commercial real estate] almost completely in several years. If you combine the Long Tail that exists among the brokers, and then combine that with the possibility that it is more valuable to do a lot of small deals than one huge one… hmm…. Plus… the Long Tail implies that there are smaller market niches that can be exploited somehow more effectively
he then provides a scenario of a broker who...
hooks up with the guy who specializes in parking lots, and then another guy who specializes in mixed-use development marketing, adds a guy who knows everything there is to know about data centers, a guy who specializes in luxury multifamily marketing, then adds a residential agent who specializes in marketing to the rich, another residential agent who specializes in marketing to the gay community, and so on and so forth. This ad-hoc team would essentially have every single specialty covered to service a very large mixed-use office-retail-multifamily development.
By leveraging information technology — VOIP, for example, to create a single phone number to their ad-hoc firm with voicemail, directories, extensions, etc. — this group can become a major presence practically overnight, with extremely low overhead. By tapping into publicly available databases, or pooling their data, they erase the proprietary data advantage that a Big Company might have. Because each person is super-specialized, the group can bring so much expertise and knowledge to the table that a Big Company would have trouble matching.
Long Tail vs Hit Driven

In his 2004 article, Anderson provides an example of a long tail economic model for the media and entertainment industries, by highlighting companies like Netflix, Yahoo! Launch, the iTunes Music Store and Rhapsody. Anderson claims that consumers are "going deep into the catalog, down the long, long list of available titles, far past what's available at Blockbuster Video, Tower Records, and Barnes & Noble. And the more they find, the more they like. As they wander further from the beaten path, they discover their taste is not as mainstream as they thought (or as they had been led to believe by marketing, a lack of alternatives, and a hit-driven culture).
Mainstrean marketing he claims is "hit-driven economics" , meaning the model is based on the fact that there is not "enough room to carry everything for everybody. Not enough shelf space for all the CDs, DVDs, and games produced. Not enough screens to show all the available movies. Not enough channels to broadcast all the TV programs, not enough radio waves to play all the music created, and not enough hours in the day to squeeze everything out through either of those sets of slots. ... this is the world of scarcity. Now, with online distribution and retail, we are entering a world of abundance. And the differences are profound."
In essence, iTunes, Amazon, and Netflix, have discovered that the "misses" also make money, and because there are so many more misses than hits, that money can add up quickly to a huge new market. I guess essentially what Long Tail economics is all about essentially is niche marketing, and what Anderson and others have recognized is the new power that RSS and other new search technologies are beginning to implement, creating a whole new paradigm for businesses.

When you think about it, most successful businesses on the Internet are about aggregating the Long Tail in one way or another. Google, for instance, makes most of its money off small advertisers (the long tail of advertising), and eBay is mostly tail as well - niche and one-off products. By overcoming the limitations of geography and scale, just as Rhapsody and Amazon have, Google and eBay have discovered new markets and expanded existing ones.

In a nutshell, almost anything is worth offering for sale on the off chance it will find a buyer. The new technologies dramatically reduce marketing and distribution cost, increasing profit margins accross the board, whether the product is a "hit" or a "miss". Mitch Ratcliffe over at ZDNet feels that Zillow has got the right idea. Radcliffe feels that Zillow is correct in betting on "the power of lowered barriers to transactions in the real estate markets." Ratcliffe feels that more transactions will happen as more information information becomes available making consumers feel more confident that they are getting more value and for that matter far more relevant purchases to suit their needs:

The long tail has always existed, especially in commodity markets. Network technology made it accessible for many more buyers and sellers. There is substantial value in connecting people to markets that were obscured by geography and distribution limitations or scarcity of information before.
In this case, most real estate sales are local, but a networked market with comparables easily accessible, like Zillow offers, the number of properties considered will almost always be greater. More choices and more buyers translates into increased average sales, not necessarily higher prices for property but somewhat more frequent sales. Ask a realtor if by increasing the number of transactions they handle in a year by two or five percent isn't a windfall. In that extra activity, there's enough profit to make Zillow or its competition a very nice profit if they do not first race to eliminate their margins.

The rise in real-estate Long Tail marketing is evident; with new players taking advantage of new marketing techniques to reach out to alternative markets (geographical and otherwise) that were traditionally neglected.

25 July 2006

Zillow.com raises $25 million

Seattle based Zillow.com is on a roll. Last week Yahoo! real estate announces Zillow intergration; today's news is that the 19 month old start-up has pulled in another $25 million, bringing total financing so far to an incredible $57 million.
[via John Cook's Venture Blog]

24 July 2006

Londonist interviews Nestoria, FindaProperty redesigns

In a new column "Hacking London", which aims to "look at the more geeky, techy and gadgety aspects of life in the Capital," Londonist gives Nestoria a little more mainstream exposure with this interview. In other search engine news, have you seen the FindaProperty.com redesign? Quite interesting. We intend to follow up with interviews this week. stay tuned ....
UPDATE:
just stopped by the Nestoria blog; they've got new widgets for Firefox and Yahoo!; really cool stuff guys. Keep up the good work!

Marbella ex-mayor jailed - allegedly collected €150K backhander

Ex Marbella mayor Julian Muñoz, was sent to prison without bail late last week. It is alleged he collected €150,000 euro backhander in a real estate deal set up by Juan Antonio Roca, the real estate assessor in the Marbella Town Hall.
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UPDATE: Muñoz charges dropped

RICS critiques Australia HIPs model

The Royal Institution of Chartered Surveyors (RICS) has sternly criticised the UK Government’s decision to scrap the Home Condition Report (HCR) from Home Information Packs (HIPs). They claim that the Government failed to allow sufficient time to iron out the problem of training adequate numbers of Home Inspectors - an issue the RICS identified over a year ago.
"If the Government had worked together with industry, as suggested, a workable solution would have been possible" the influential body stated in a press release.
RICS research into the effect of HIPs on the UK housing market suggests the Government’s decision leans towards the low-regulatory model used in Australia where their version of the Home Information Packs are compulsory, but the HCR equivalent is not. The Australian model is a low cost approach to simplify the home buying process, and when introduced back in June 1988 had no effect on housing market activity.

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21 July 2006

Lagos Nigeria - Collapsed Building - 37 Confirmed Dead

NO fewer than 37 persons have been confirmed dead from a collapsed four-storey building in the Ebute Metta area of Lagos State, just as Governor Bola Tinubu has vowed to prosecute developer of the 36 flat property who is now on the run. His commissioner for Physical and Urban Development, Mr Francis Abosede, however disclosed that approval was given for only two-storey building on the site.
Leader of a Red Cross rescue team at the scene, Mr Ige Iseoluwa, confirmed that about 37 corpses have been recorded while several others are on danger list at various hospitals in the area. When Daily Champion visited the scene on Bola Street escavators from construction firm of Julius Berger were seen busy digging up the debris in the effort to rescue more persons while other persons tore through the debris with bare hands helping in the search and rescue effort.
Also a team of policemen and members of the Civil Defence Corps were on hand to help out in the search even as the building was said to have caved in late Tuesday night as people retreated from a long day.
But Governor Tinubu, who arrived the scene in the early morning hours, wearing a mournful look, vowed that developers of the property must be prosecuted for a shoddy job which caused the death of residents, warning that it was high time in evidence of building collapse in the state stopped.
"We shall prosecute the developers. We know their other buildings and definitely, they will not go unpunished," he said just as residents have begun a manhunt for the developer identified only as Lakuns Investment Nigeria Limited.
allAfrica.com

20 July 2006

Who is the sexiest estate agent in London?


NYT has an intriguing article about the apparent rise in sexy real estate adverts, claiming that:

Some of the advertisements for new condominiums this year look more like ads for condoms, and that has caused more than a few eyes to linger on traditionally staid real estate listings. These provocative advertisements have also raised eyebrows among real estate and advertising professionals who say sex has never been germane to real estate marketing the way it is, say, to music and underwear.

But what about the people on the street doing the selling; the people we love to hate; thats right - estate agents.
As ugly a reputation as the profession is developing, lets face it, there are some pretty hot folks in this city (London) selling real estate, and we definately want to get to know you!
We're following Curbed's example in the US and officially launching our bid to find the sexiest estate agent in our city!

If you have ever been entranced by a agent you've worked with, chatted with, flirted with, or just gazed at via the web? Or if you're an agent with an over-inflated ego, we want to hear from you!
Email us agent names and agency they work with, ( plus web links and photo if possible). Voting will be open to the public and we'll beta run the contest for a few weeks, and if it takes off we'll definately launch in other cites accross the UK and Europe. So please start emailing; we're eager to hear from you!

Construction begins on major Toronto office complex

Brookfield Properties was expected to kick off construction Wednesday on a 50-storey office complex located just steps from the Toronto Stock Exchange and skyscrapers for Canada's five biggest banks. The Bay-Adelaide site will house downtown's first major commercial development since 1992. Sources said Tuesday that construction costs were estimated at about $300 million, but total investment costs were not known.

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19 July 2006

HIPs u-turn reaction: 'half-HIP' useless but expensive waste of time.

“Even estate agents are trusted more than politicians which is hardly surprising when politicians seem incapable of defending homebuyers. The new 'half-HIP' will be a useless but a very expensive waste of time.”
Nick Stace, campaigns and communications director at Which?

"It’s an unnecessary change that simply delays the consumer benefits of compulsory Home Condition Reports whilst adding to the uncertainty of prospective home inspectors and the HIP industry."
Brian Scannell, managing director of SAVA

more reaction
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South American search - an opportunity waiting to happen!

via SearchEngineWatch:

With over 80 million Internet users, Latin America offers attractive opportunities for search marketers who take time to understand its unique search landscape.
If there is one thing Gonzalo Alonso is sure of, it is that search engine marketing is poised for growth in Latin America. As General Manager of Google Mexico, he asserts this belief in a fashion that leaves no room for doubt: "We will get there." Alonso expects the total Internet advertising to grow from $111 million to $337 million over the next few years.
If Alonso is Latin America's search engine marketing's cheerleader, Yahoo is its coach. It is Guiherme Ribenboim's job to educate and proselytize advertisers and their agencies, which the firm has deftly segmented according to varying levels of sophistication. Yahoo proudly notes that it has over 500 million keywords appearing in its Latin American network and that its most successful advertisers run between 1 and 50,000 keywords. Ribenboim also reminded the audience that his firm has recently merged with Telemundo, the Spanish-language broadcast powerhouse.

Yahoo! Search integrates Zillow

The home values page includes Yahoo! Maps which provides satellite imagery along with 10 comparables, and has a table showing each home’s Zestimate (estimated home value) and 1 week value change. Yahoo! Real Estate also provides historical price trend graphs and a link to Yahoo! Answers "so you can ask questions on real estate and home values."
Yahoo! Search blog

Johnny Depp moving to The Bahamas

The Pirates of the Caribbean star reportedly paid $3 million (GBP1.57 million) for 35-acre getaway isle Little Hall's Pond Cay. No word yet if his intention is to find buried treasure. Maybe he has inside information after filiming in the region. His longtime girlfriend Vanessa Paradis was said to have "questioned his logic".
"I don't think Johnny Depp will find buried treasure on his island." claims David Cordingley author of Under The Black Flag: The Romance + Reality Of Life Among The Pirates; and also acted as a consultant on the film.
Nevertheless, Depp is expected to move there with his family soon "to get a bit of peace" he was quoted as saying.
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WSJ confirms - Indian government blog clampdown

As we reported earlier this week, the Indian government is clamping down on bloggers. Todays' WSJ follows up with more details:

India's Department of Telecommunications sent an order late last week to Internet-service providers to block several Web sites, according to a department spokesman ... who declined to disclose the contents of the letter or discuss the order, saying it was a "confidential exchange of information between the department and the operators."
Close to a third of the sites were home to blogs, the personalized Web logs that have become popular in India, just as they have in other parts of the world. Among the Web sites blocked are parts of Blogger and GeoCities. Included on a list seen by The Wall Street Journal are sites that showcase views of an Islamic holy man, conservative Hindus, and Dalits, the low caste in India pejoratively referred to as untouchables.
A spokeswoman for Google Inc., which owns Blogger, said, "We are currently looking into the situation to determine whether, and why, this has taken place." A spokeswoman for Yahoo Inc., which owns GeoCities, also said the company was looking into the matter.
WSJ.com

UPDATE [via BoingBoing]

BoingBoing reader Ace Bhattacharjya writes, "I'm a member of the South Asian Journalists' Association. Please see this clarification from A.R. Ghanashyam, Deputy Consul General, New York

we had taken up the matter with the authorities concerned in the Department of Telecommunications in the Government of India and the facts are as under:

A two-page write up containing extremely derogatory references to Islam and the holy prophet which had the potential to inflame religious sensitivities in India and create serious law and order problems in the country appeared in a blog facilitated by well known search engines. The matter was immediately taken note of by our CERT (Computer Emergency Response Team) and the Department of Telecommunications (DOT) was informed of it. The DOT took up the matter forthwith with the search engines and instructions were also issued to all Internet providers to block the two impertinent pages. Because of a technological error, the Internet providers went beyond what was expected of them which in turn resulted in the unfortunate blocking of all blogs. Department of Telecommunications have now clarified the issue and the error is being rectified and it is expected that normalcy in respect of blogs will soon be restored.

Hob Gadling says,

Rediff is reporting that India's blog blockade will end in 48 hours. According to a spokesperson of the Internet Service Providers Association of India, the block happened as some ISPs misunderstood the Department of Telecommunications (DoT) notice and blocked entire blog domains instead of individual blogs. Ironically, the report lists the individual sites blocked thus attracting more attention towards them.




Rightmove response to HIPs statement

19 July 2006
Rightmove response to yesterday's Government announcement regarding HIPs Rightmove notes yesterday's statement by Yvette Cooper, the Minister for Housing and Planning, regarding changes to the implementation of Home Information Packs (HIPs).
The Minister's statement includes the announcement that the Home Condition Report within the HIP will be voluntary for the foreseeable future. Rightmove believes that it had put in place the systems, people and capabilities to be able to implement HIPs in line with the original timetable and specification. The implication is that the overall value of each HIP will be lower than previously expected. Accordingly, revenues and potential earnings from Rightmove's HIPs product are likely to be significantly lower than current market expectations. Future expenditure on the HIPs product will be reviewed in the light of the development of the HIPs market and the company's place within it.
Rightmove reaffirms its trading statement as made on the 6 July 2006 which confirmed that revenue and profit before tax for the full year 2006 will exceed the range of analysts' estimates as at that date. In addition as a leading provider of technology delivered services to the real estate industry, Rightmove believes it is well placed to continue building its web based advertising"
Rightmove Plc

DCLG - Official HIPs Statement

18 July 2006

The Government today announced plans for the introduction of Energy Performance Certificates as part of the phased roll-out of Home Information Packs to help consumers cut costs and waste when buying a home and help the environment too.

In the light of the plans for testing and concerns about the readiness of industry, the Government announced new proposals to phase the introduction of HIPs, prioritising the delivery of energy efficiency information with further testing later this year on the other aspects of HIPs.

This means that HIPs will be introduced in June next year with searches and energy performance information, enabling buyers and sellers to get A-G ratings on their homes similar to fridge ratings as well as a list of practical measures to cut their fuel bills and carbon emissions at the same time.

The Energy Savings Trust estimates that by following the proposals in the Energy Performance Certificate, the average homeowner will save £300 a year on fuel bills. Government also believes that the information could be used to support the growth of green mortgages and other incentives.

However on the basis of detailed consultations with industry and the latest market and testing information, the government has decided to phase the roll out of other aspects of Home Information Packs, introducing the rest of Home Condition Reports on a market-led basis in the first instance, in order to ensure a smooth implementation with clear benefits for consumers.

Minister for Housing and Planning, Yvette Cooper said:

“HIPs can deliver great benefits for consumers and the environment. But it is important that they are implemented in a sensible way, based on proper testing. That is why we will begin with the most important element – energy efficiency ratings for homes. This will mean practical information for homeowners on how to cut their fuel bills and carbon emissions. People should be backing HIPs to help everyone respond to the global challenge of climate change.”

"We look forward to working with the lending industry, HIP providers and those training to be home inspectors as we develop the next steps."

The dry run aims to ensure that HIPs deliver the maximum benefits to consumers by looking at costs, the savings from avoiding waste and duplication, consumer attitudes to the Packs, failed transactions and transaction times, and people's willingness to sell with HIPs in place. It will begin with further consumer research in the summer as well as analysis of over 14,000 HIPs produced so far, in order to inform area based trials later in the year which will be independently monitored.

Ministers are determined to avoid the risks to consumers and to the implementation of Energy Performance Certificates from a “big bang” introduction in June next year. In particular, further testing is needed on the costs and impacts of Home Condition Reports and the government does not want to see early roll out of Energy Performance Certificates jeopardised by late amendments or delays to the rest of the scheme.

The latest information casts doubts on the readiness of the industry to be able to pass on the benefits to consumers from next June. There are concerns about the number of home inspectors who will be in place in time. In addition evidence from the Council of Mortgage Lenders shows that many lenders will not be in a position to make maximum use of Automated Valuation Models which will support the use of the Home Condition Report. The Government is keen to avoid risks to consumers from industry delays and potential late changes to the implementation timetable next year.

Therefore, the Government will begin by promoting the take up of HCRs on a market-led basis - including examining the case for pump priming and other incentives. Mandatory introduction of Home Condition Reports remains on the table, however the Government wants to encourage market led take up first, in order to allow a more flexible roll-out that responds to consumer demand and the results of further testing. The Government will urgently review with key stakeholders what support is needed to ensure that there are sufficient home inspectors in place, and that consumers are fully protected.

DCLG News Release

Rightmove hit as HIP rules changed

Rightmove shares fell nearly a fifth in value in early trading on Wednesday after the government announced changes to next year's introduction of so-called Home Information Packs (HIPs) which must be provided by home sellers.
Rightmove statement:

"The Minister's statement includes the announcement that the Home Condition Report within the HIP will be voluntary for the foreseeable future, ... the implication is that the overall value of each HIP will be lower than previously expected. Accordingly, revenues and potential earnings from Rightmove's HIPs product are likely to be significantly lower than current market expectations."

At 8:30 a.m. Rightmove shares were down 19 percent at 285 pence to value the company at 362 million pounds Meanwhile property services firm Countrywide's shares were down nearly 8 percent at 392 pence

Reuters

18 July 2006

The Canadian bubble

The Ottawa Citizen reports on the housing bubble in Canada.

“We Canadians love our shelter, and like many others around the globe, we’re increasingly willing to pay a whole lot of money for it. But in many hotspots, prices have started to slide, as has the number of home sales. Australia is well into a slump. Closer to home, the U.S. Northeast had 4.2 per cent fewer sales so far this year, the Midwest 3.8. In parts of California, home sales are down by more than 20 per cent. In Ottawa, there’s a definite cooling under way.

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via Housing Bubble Blog

'No land for Bajans by 2010' - senator

Reverend Gordon Matthews former Bajan senator, predicted that by 2010 Barbados will be owned primarily by foreign investors:

"Unless there is a change of policy, our country is heading for social dislocation down the road. It is in our interest that we take constructive action as patriotic citizens within the limits of the fundamental law to save our country for our children and our children's children,"

He termed the situation as the "wholesale sell-out" or "rape of our land". However, he made it clear he was not against foreign investors – what he wanted was a balance. He also did not give "rape" or "sell-out" examples in his presentation.
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17 July 2006

India government apparent blogsphere crackdown

Reports are rapidly circulating in blogsphere that the Indian government is in the midst of instigating a crackdown on major blogger domains (blogspot, typepad and geocities).
So far no one seems to know why and we cannot find any links to any official documents.
But credible blog sources out of India are reporting; so far Rebecca hasn't taken the case, neither has Global Voices. Googleblog hasn't posted anything official and Battelle is on vacation ...
We're not sure why the Indian government would do something at a time like this, given the excellent coverage during the Mumbai bombings. Maybe they're trying to link blogs to terroism.

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16 July 2006

Saudi Arabia, Kuwait pledge $70 mln to help Lebanon

Saudi Arabia and Kuwait pledged $70 million on Sunday to help Lebanon after Prime Minister Fouad Siniora said Israeli attacks turned the country into a disaster area. The official Saudi Press Agency said King Abdullah ordered the immediate transfer of $50 million "for the (Lebanese) prime minister to spend on emergency aid and basic services to alleviate the suffering of the Lebanese people
Reuters

Bankrate.com under legal scrutiny

Bankrate's legal battle traces back to 2002, when online mortgage lender American Interbanc Mortgage LLC, of Irvine, Calif., sued several lenders advertising on bankrate.com, accusing them of false advertising. It added Bankrate as a defendant a year later, alleging Bankrate ignored evidence of bait-and-switch advertising and yielded to pressure from other defendants to kick American Interbanc off its Web site. The suit, being heard in Orange County Superior Court, seeks $16.5 million in damages and a minimum $33 million in punitive damages, according to a Bankrate regulatory filing.
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14 July 2006

Eric Schmidt on click fraud

Here the comments froom Google CEO that sparked the controversy during question and answer session. Schmidt also addresses net neutrality issues; China and human rights; PayPerClick;
On click fraud, he described as: "paying yourself money", which he claims Goog can easily detect., and that goog engineers find it "great fun" to get ahead of.

RELATED POST: The click fraud problem and Real Estate 2.0 (part 1)

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